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	<title>Comments on: The Romanian Communications Ministry will pay EUR 90.18 million for the right to use 163,427 Microsoft licenses</title>
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		<title>By: A.Lizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Lizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$90M/163K seats &gt;=$550 per seat, and the great majority of users will only be using Win7 + M$ Office. This does not include what upgrading / replacing machines to run Win7 properly is going to cost.

I suspect that the only &quot;facts&quot; presented by M$ to the bureaucrats and politicians were the size of the payoffs each will get after RO pays for the licenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$90M/163K seats &gt;=$550 per seat, and the great majority of users will only be using Win7 + M$ Office. This does not include what upgrading / replacing machines to run Win7 properly is going to cost.</p>
<p>I suspect that the only &#8220;facts&#8221; presented by M$ to the bureaucrats and politicians were the size of the payoffs each will get after RO pays for the licenses.</p>
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		<title>By: acharya prasann</title>
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		<dc:creator>acharya prasann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please consider FSF&#039;s Website windows7sins.org.  in india also microsoft poisoning Education by promoting its products</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please consider FSF&#8217;s Website windows7sins.org.  in india also microsoft poisoning Education by promoting its products</p>
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		<title>By: Lucian Savluc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucian Savluc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. I thought that is better  to clarify these in a separate article &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cianblog.com/2010/02/19/some-clarity-about-eliberatica-and-microsoft-again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some clarity about eLiberatica and  Microsoft (again)&lt;/a&gt;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. I thought that is better  to clarify these in a separate article &quot;<a href="http://cianblog.com/2010/02/19/some-clarity-about-eliberatica-and-microsoft-again/" rel="nofollow">Some clarity about eLiberatica and  Microsoft (again)</a>&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Some clarity about eLiberatica and Microsoft (again) &#124; CianBlog</title>
		<link>http://cianblog.com/2010/02/17/romanian-communications-ministry-will-pay-eur-90-million-for-right-to-use-microsoft-licenses/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Some clarity about eLiberatica and Microsoft (again) &#124; CianBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response to comments about Microsoft sponsoring [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Serban</title>
		<link>http://cianblog.com/2010/02/17/romanian-communications-ministry-will-pay-eur-90-million-for-right-to-use-microsoft-licenses/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Serban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Related to sponsorship, as far as I’ll be in charge organizing eLiberatica, I can promise you no sponsor would influence somehow
&gt; their position at the event.
&gt; On the other side, I still consider that any legal organization should be allowed to sponsor eLiberatica as far as this will not
&gt; influence in a way or another the honesty of the conference or would favor them.

Lucian, please understand that the FLOSS-promoting effect of any Linux/Open-Source conference is to a very large extent diluted by having Microsoft on the sponsor list. It&#039;s like listening to your doctor telling you about how you should quit smoking because it&#039;s bad for your health ... and then going outside together for a cigarette. That&#039;s cognitive dissonance.


&gt; Regarding Microsoft, they have the right to come and present their facts, is the single way for FLOSS community to meet them and
&gt; tell them what they think. Remember, they are on our territory there. And I see this like a positive fact. How do you want to
&gt; change them if you don’t speak to them?

Lucian, thinking that you will somehow be able to &quot;change Microsoft by talking to them&quot; is a very, very dangerous mindset.
Not only will it get you nowhere, but you are playing right into their hands.
It&#039;s in Microsoft&#039;s DNA to attempt to destroy FLOSS (or at least slow down its adoption).
Do you think Microsoft might change course if you talk to them? Look at what they&#039;re really doing behind the scenes, while sponsoring FLOSS conferences and sweet-talking the Linux community about interoperability and other &quot;candy&quot;:
http://slashdot.org/~christian.einfeldt/journal/223179


&gt; The real problem is that nobody there is asking the government about these things. Nobody is really taking actions to make these
&gt; contracts transparent. The people are finding about it only after the deal is closed. And we talk here about ten and hundreds of
&gt; millions. Public money from the pockets of Romanians. At least if the country would be so rich that could afford it ...

I completely agree.
I believe a well-organized legal entity taking the government to task on behalf of the Romanian free software community can make a real difference.
My hopes are that ProLinux can be that entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Related to sponsorship, as far as I’ll be in charge organizing eLiberatica, I can promise you no sponsor would influence somehow<br />
&gt; their position at the event.<br />
&gt; On the other side, I still consider that any legal organization should be allowed to sponsor eLiberatica as far as this will not<br />
&gt; influence in a way or another the honesty of the conference or would favor them.</p>
<p>Lucian, please understand that the FLOSS-promoting effect of any Linux/Open-Source conference is to a very large extent diluted by having Microsoft on the sponsor list. It&#8217;s like listening to your doctor telling you about how you should quit smoking because it&#8217;s bad for your health &#8230; and then going outside together for a cigarette. That&#8217;s cognitive dissonance.</p>
<p>&gt; Regarding Microsoft, they have the right to come and present their facts, is the single way for FLOSS community to meet them and<br />
&gt; tell them what they think. Remember, they are on our territory there. And I see this like a positive fact. How do you want to<br />
&gt; change them if you don’t speak to them?</p>
<p>Lucian, thinking that you will somehow be able to &#8220;change Microsoft by talking to them&#8221; is a very, very dangerous mindset.<br />
Not only will it get you nowhere, but you are playing right into their hands.<br />
It&#8217;s in Microsoft&#8217;s DNA to attempt to destroy FLOSS (or at least slow down its adoption).<br />
Do you think Microsoft might change course if you talk to them? Look at what they&#8217;re really doing behind the scenes, while sponsoring FLOSS conferences and sweet-talking the Linux community about interoperability and other &#8220;candy&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://slashdot.org/~christian.einfeldt/journal/223179" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/~christian.einfeldt/journal/223179</a></p>
<p>&gt; The real problem is that nobody there is asking the government about these things. Nobody is really taking actions to make these<br />
&gt; contracts transparent. The people are finding about it only after the deal is closed. And we talk here about ten and hundreds of<br />
&gt; millions. Public money from the pockets of Romanians. At least if the country would be so rich that could afford it &#8230;</p>
<p>I completely agree.<br />
I believe a well-organized legal entity taking the government to task on behalf of the Romanian free software community can make a real difference.<br />
My hopes are that ProLinux can be that entity.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucian Savluc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucian Savluc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, we can make many suppositions. The real problem is that nobody there is asking the government about these things. Nobody is really taking actions to make these contracts transparent. The people are finding about it only after the deal is closed. And we talk here about ten and hundreds of millions. Public money from the pockets of Romanians. At least if the country would be so rich that could afford it...

Related to sponsorship, as far as I’ll be in charge organizing eLiberatica, I can promise you no sponsor would influence somehow their position at the event. 
On the other side, I still consider that any legal organization should be allowed to sponsor eLiberatica as far as this will not influence in a way or another the honesty of the conference or would favor them. 

Regarding Microsoft, they have the right to come and present their facts, is the single way for FLOSS community to meet them and tell them what they think. Remember, they are on our territory there. And I see this like a positive fact. How do you want to change them if you don’t speak to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, we can make many suppositions. The real problem is that nobody there is asking the government about these things. Nobody is really taking actions to make these contracts transparent. The people are finding about it only after the deal is closed. And we talk here about ten and hundreds of millions. Public money from the pockets of Romanians. At least if the country would be so rich that could afford it&#8230;</p>
<p>Related to sponsorship, as far as I’ll be in charge organizing eLiberatica, I can promise you no sponsor would influence somehow their position at the event.<br />
On the other side, I still consider that any legal organization should be allowed to sponsor eLiberatica as far as this will not influence in a way or another the honesty of the conference or would favor them. </p>
<p>Regarding Microsoft, they have the right to come and present their facts, is the single way for FLOSS community to meet them and tell them what they think. Remember, they are on our territory there. And I see this like a positive fact. How do you want to change them if you don’t speak to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Serban</title>
		<link>http://cianblog.com/2010/02/17/romanian-communications-ministry-will-pay-eur-90-million-for-right-to-use-microsoft-licenses/comment-page-1/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Serban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect some bribing / backroom dealing / dishonest behavior was involved in this transaction.
That&#039;s why it makes sense to keep our FLOSS conferences clean (ethically sponsored).
Microsoft has no business sponsoring a FLOSS conference. Let&#039;s keep them at arm&#039;s length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect some bribing / backroom dealing / dishonest behavior was involved in this transaction.<br />
That&#8217;s why it makes sense to keep our FLOSS conferences clean (ethically sponsored).<br />
Microsoft has no business sponsoring a FLOSS conference. Let&#8217;s keep them at arm&#8217;s length.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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